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October 17, 2007

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Tim J.

Sorry. For some reason, I can't get the picture to come up in the main body of the post with this computer.

Oh, well. You get the point.

Ed Peters

Right. I hate this stuff.

Let me say it once again, in EVERY approved apparation of, say, Our Lady, she NEVER appears in some other medium. She's alwasy her. At Fatima she was not speaking from within a grease spot on a manhole cover, at Lourdes she was not in acheese sandwich, at Guadalupe she was not in a reflection on the side of a house.

Mark

Ed,

You've disproved your own argument: at Guadalupe she left a miraculous image on Juan Diego's tilma or robe. The image itself is recognized as having been instrumental in millions of conversions.

Never say never ...

Tim J.

The Saddam photo could be made to look even more like the fire if I had bothered to Photoshop the image, as someone has done with the JPII image.

It's easy to see that it has been compressed downward (squashed). I mean, I know he was bent during his last several years, but his head wasn't misshapen.

Tim J.

You know, I take that back. I can't be certain the JPII photo was manipulated.

Tim J.

And let ME be the first to say, "Nice post, Jimmy!".

Ed Peters

Mark. No no no. Our Lady APPEARED in person and spoke to Juan Diego. She LATER left an image of herself in a tilma. Golly, Jesus did that with Veronica's veil.

Mark

OK Ed. So when you said "she NEVER appears in some other medium" you didn't really mean it. By the way, is this universal rule in the catechism or canon law or somewhere? What about the pillar of fire in Exodus? Is God allowed to do that?

Ed Peters

Our difference, Mark is on the word "appear".

Neither the CCC nor the CIC make rules for Jesus and Mary.

And refresh my memory, but I don't think God appeared AS a flame, but rather was said to be "in" the flame/cloud, no?

Joy Schoenberger

Just do a Google image search for "bonfire" and see who you can find in the flames. It's like looking for animals in the clouds! How silly.

Aristotle

Mark,

I also think Ed Peters means "never" based on empirical evidence thus far.

I don't think he's trying to make an infallible declaration, though if he is, he should correct me.

Esau

Let me say it once again, in EVERY approved apparation of, say, Our Lady, she NEVER appears in some other medium. She's alwasy her. At Fatima she was not speaking from within a grease spot on a manhole cover, at Lourdes she was not in acheese sandwich, at Guadalupe she was not in a reflection on the side of a house.


Crud!

I should've known I was too late in mentioning these absurdities that Ed Peters just mentioned earlier.

By the way, I have an image of the V.M. on my doughnut that I'm willing to sell on EBAY should anybody care for it.

Leah

What kind of doughnut? Iced or with sprinkles or what?

David B.

It'd better be custard, or I'm not buying it. Everyone knows Mary would never appear in Devil's food.

Vince C

It is even more ridiculous when you consider that the figure of a person standing and waving is pretty universal. You can pretty much insert any person that ever lived that could stand and had arms and waved at somebody in some point in their lives.

Reminds me of when anti-Catholics place a picture of a pagan image of some goddess and her child next to a picture of Mary and Baby Jesus and say: "See! See! Catholics are pagans!!"

Esau

Leah,
What kind of doughnut? Iced or with sprinkles or what?

It's a doughnut with her image on it --

That, in itself, should be enough to entice any faithful buyer -- even without sprinkles! ;^)

David B,
It'd better be custard, or I'm not buying it. Everyone knows Mary would never appear in Devil's food.

Thus, you are not one of the faithful! ;^)

Randolph Carter

The Saddam says: FLAME ON!

Now, far be it from me to pass judgment on the state of any man's mortal soul. I do think, however, that this apparition of Saddam in the flames ("Flamer Saddam" as I call it) may be meant as a warning to political leaders who use their power to murder vast numbers of their own subjects.

I think that these apparitions are becoming more and more common. It seems that not a week goes by without some attention-seeking loony perfectly ordinary person being visited by such an occurrence. Why, it was not the other day that I found a smudge on my wall that looked just like North America and Europe, which I quickly wiped-out along with the aid of a rag and some cleaning solvent. Prophetic? Maybe. From time to time the face of Yul Brynner has been known to mysteriously appear on my television screen. Does this mean that an army of malfunctioning, gun-slinging robots are soon going to overrun the Earth, destroying all (or at least most) humans? One can only hope, then there'll be more PS3s for the rest of us non-humansThat would be horrible. Did you know that there was actually a guy who planned on selling grills that emblazon the images of saints onto the various food products one cooks on them? Imagine how many of these reports we'll hear after THOSE abominations hit the market. I shudder to think!

Anyway, great post Jimmy . . . uh, that is to say, Timmy (sorry, I could not resist).

dodo

Why are they tearing down that statue of JPII?!?

Elijah

Great post, SDG. By the way, I can't believe some guy named Tim has you confused with Jimmy. It's so obvious from the writing style that it's you.

Tim J.

"From time to time the face of Yul Brynner has been known to mysteriously appear on my television screen. Does this mean that an army of malfunctioning, gun-slinging robots are soon going to overrun the Earth, destroying all (or at least most) humans?"

WestWorld was like, the coolest movie EVER... when I was twelve.

Actually, SECOND coolest. Omega Man was the coolest.

Dr. Eric

When I was 4, I thought The Dukes of Hazzard was cool.

I want to be
As cool
As Yul
Before I'm dead.
Therefore,
I think
I'll shave
My head.

Dr. Eric

LJ

"It is even more ridiculous when you consider that the figure of a person standing and waving is pretty universal. You can pretty much insert any person that ever lived that could stand and had arms and waved at somebody in some point in their lives."

Actually, if my memory serves correctly, there is a quite common photo of Ronald Reagan with the same posture and wave, stepping out of Airforce One I think.

"Actually, SECOND coolest. Omega Man was the coolest."


Omega Man was cool, but not as cool as it could have been had they not gone all Hollywoodish in the adaptation from the book, "I am Legend".

Phil Maff

Whoops, forgot to add my name to last post.

Archangelo

I did an informal poll of Catholic friends and family regarding the alleged JPII image and found that those who were less positive about the idea of the image had become Catholic as adults, while all of the "cradle Catholics" (plus two converts) were much more receptive to the possibility. I wonder if this would bear out on this board. In any case, I found it interesting.

Homer

I'll take the doughnut.

It's Holey!!

(is 35 cents enough?)

My Cat's Name Is Lily

"I'll take the doughnut.

It's Holey!!

(is 35 cents enough?)"

No. any less than 50 cents, and I'll outbid you, and sell tickets for people to come and see the Miraculous Appearance of a Surgically Altered Wombat.
And that's my final offer.

Homer

Doh!!

You can have it then. I'm going to Krispy Kreme's and am gonna watch every donut come out of the donut machine till I find my OWN holy donut!

..and if there's a St. Homer out there, I want to find one that looks like him!! And I'm even gonna check the DONUT HOLES!

Rachel

Does anyone rember the lady that had the Virgin Mary on a grilled cheez sandwich and saved it for like 25 years before selling it on e-bay? I was watching Miami Ink the other night and that woman came in with the sandwich to have it tattooed on her chest.(It must have been an old rerun I was watching b/c it was before she had sold it, and Kat VonD was doing the tattoo.)

Homer

I'm more interested in how it tasted after 25 years.

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