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February 01, 2007

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Realist

Googling DCA carcinogen

Carcinogen for mice and rats
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=15001591
"Dichloroacetate (DCA) is a well established rodent carcinogen commonly found in municipal drinking water supplies."

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/cdic-mcc/19-3/c_e.html

There is some evidence that DCA might cause bladder cancer in humans as per large population studies of chlorinated water exposure.

Monica

"Consequently, drug companies aren't interested in doing the research needed to find out if it actually works in humans, what the therapeutic dosages are, what the side-effects are, etc."

This has always made me crazy. The same thing happened with Downs syndrome - some of the major effects of Downs can be avoided with supplements, but there's no $ in it for the pharmaceuticals, and therefore the doctors don't know about it, and if it really worked the doctor would tell me about it, right? so therefore it isn't true...

Rosemarie

+J.M.J+

I read an article in the local newspaper a few months ago about a new treatment for cancer in animals. A veternarian injected something extracted from the Bloodroot plant into a dog's tumor and the tumor died and came off. Some alternative medicine-types promote the use of Bloodroot to treat human cancers, but it's very controversial.

I believe the cures for cancer, AIDS, diabetes, autism, etc. are out there. The question is whether they will ever become available to us, the pharmaceutical industry being what it is.

In Jesu et Maria,

A.Williams

I think there should be a few cigars being smoked at the RJ Reynolds Inc. headquarters over this good news!

Just think of the advertizing potential!

For a limited time only! Buy 1 pack of Marboro XTRA-NIC(R) Cigarettes... and recieve 2 FREE!! Marlboro brand, double strength DCA capsules! Hurry while supplies last!

Realist

Please check the budget and cancer research projects of the US National Institute of Health, the American Cancer Society, major US universities, and the other over 100 other non-pharmaceutical groups doing cancer research before deciding that potential cancer cures are being overlooked.

dino

A couple of observations:

Mice and men are not the same thng.

How is it that cancer remains in the world? The secular press, especially the supermarket tabloids, announce another cure almost weekly ;O) .

Tim H

Be skeptical of what you read in New Scientist, too. It has its moments, but it is in some ways the tabloid of science magazines. Things like this are easy to blow out of proportion.

JohnD

I don't buy the argument that cheap cures are kept from the public because of supposed economic reasons. If there is a demand for a specific product, there will be a supplier even if the margin is slim. Don't underestimate the economic force coming from the incentive of cost savings.

I remember when researchers found out that vitamin E could treat severe menstrual pain in certain dosages when taken at certain times. It was all over the news and has benefitted millions of women. Vitamin E is cheap, but that didn't keep the info from getting out and being implemented.

Colorado Catholic

I would hesitate to put all of the blame on pharm companies.(disclaimer: I work for a large biotech company) Instead I would point out the extreme costs that are imposed on the industry by the FDA. A conservative estimate is that it takes 800 million dollars and 10 years for a promising drug to reach the market due to the complex regulation of the industry. It is hard to think of any type of company that would spend ten years and 800 million dollars for something that they will not recoup no matter how benevolent the cause is.

John (idm)

Can you say, "Quack", as in Dr. James Q. Akin, master of science fiction and the square dance?

bill912

Gee, Jimmy, I bet the infantile remarks of a twit leave you shaken!

bill912, Second Part-Time Third Sub-Assistant to the Deputy Vice-Master of the Jimmy Akin Personality Cult.

Esau

Is there some sort of John Personality Cult that I'm not aware of???

Most persons on the blog with the handle "John" all end up sounding like infantile twits.

Jimmy Akin

John (idm) is hereby disinvited from participating in the blog due to Rule 1 violations.

Esau

(2) it's cheap--really cheap--because it can't be patented.


There are a number of patents that feature things that are cheap and, furthermore, silly for the most part:


Retractable Table Top for a Toilet
Patent#: US 6983493

Some of the best ideas come when you're sitting on the john. It's as if opening one end to eliminate the physical, we make more room on the other side for the metaphysical. One might conclude then that the more time you sit on the toilet, the more inspiration you will receive.

Rafik Shaumyan has at last conquered the "shortcomings" of standard facilities with his table top: "A device for providing a working surface while a user is seated on a toilet."

Shaumyan has thoroughly analyzed society's plebian use of the crapper and restored its royal dignity. As he puts it:

"The toilet seat can more rightly be called "the throne" if certain conditions are met above and beyond the simple support and flush provisions. A supply of toilet paper needs to be furnished and at a convenient location or locations, not a marginally accessible location. A supply of reading material from which a selection can be made is usually welcome, and for some an ashtray, cigarettes and matches are needed. Some may prefer to prepare notes such as shopping lists, and these will need pencil and notepaper and backing for the note paper. "

All the convenience fit for a king.

David B.

Anyday, I'll take Realist over (most of) the Johns.

P.S. This statement is not meant to compliment Realist when the times when he speaks against reason.

bill912

Thank you, Jimmy. Now, while you've got Glamdring out...

bill912

Yes, Esau, some johns should be sat on.

Tim J.

Hey, John(idm),

Did Jimmy steal your girlfriend back in high school, or something? Or were you turned down for a job sweeping up at Catholic Answers?

Your posts are unwaveringly;

A)Without substance
B)mean-spirited
C)personal

I know of tons of websites that I would dislike visiting. Guess what? I don't visit them! I don't get a thrill out of visiting wesites I loathe in order to leave snarky comments so I can feel superior to someone for a few minutes.

David B.

John (idm),

It. Doesn't. Matter.

Tim J.

Sorry, looks like I missed the action. Have fun harassing someone else, John(idm).

Esau

In fact, drug companies spend millions and millions of dollars so that they can produce near-knockoffs of natural or already-known substances so that they can patent the near-knockoff and use it to make money, when the already-existing substance that they're imitating would treat the same condition just as well or better.

Can anybody say hoodia???


Struggle over Hoodia patent continues
Business Day, Johannesburg: Jul 12, 2006, pg. 6

War rages on for rights to hoodia An indigenous cactus has raised some of the thorniest problems in patent law and rights to traditional knowledge. Reports on wrangles over hoodia gordonii LITTLE did the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) suspect when it patented the appetite suppressant substance, P57, in the 1990s, that it was seizing hold of a prickly problem that would not go away anytime soon.

The miracle plant that tells your brain you are full was used by San hunters in the deserts of southern Africa. They chewed the pulp of the hoodia gordonii cactus to suppress thirst and hunger.

(The San have sucked on hoodia for generations, principally to raise their energy and fight hunger during long hunting trips.)

When the CSIR took possession of this age-old herbal knowledge by gaining a patent on the molecule, P57 the active agent in the plant there was an international outcry. Research of indigenous plants had been going on at the CSIR since the 1960s and its scientists isolated the molecule in 1996. Patent hell broke loose.

Representatives of San clans demanded restitution of their right to communal intellectual property, supported by a global chorus of well wishers and patent-law critics. It happened while the new democratic SA was on honeymoon. Nothing could have been more embarrassing to the venerable CSIR than the claim that it had ripped off defenceless rural people in an act of biopiracy.

Mary

The way we get people to do work is to give them money for it. That is how the economic system works.

The problem here is that we have a large body of work that would be good for someone to do, but no way to pay them for it.

What we need is some way to reward the behavior that we want and need.

Mary

Charitiable organizations are one way.

J.R. Stoodley

small correction if no one made it in the combox above. It is not only the dose that makes the poison. It is also the sensitivity of the person.

For example, there are evidently some Japanese people who can be on the ground drunk from less than a shot of hard alcohol, who can get drunk just from the vapors of alcohol. Similarly there are large Russian men who can consume copious amounts of Vodka without a problem.

There are similar differences in sensitivity to many chemicals. Even if a drug is safe for 90% of people, what if you happen to be a part of the 10% that its really harmful to. What if it is 99% and 1%, does the risk then become acceptible? At some point it must, if anything is going to be made available. Still, it shows the importance of testing such things first.

It is (or should be) criminal though to refuse to follow up on such a possiblity because you can't make money off it.

Dr. Eric

JR,

That's why in the ancient herbalist systems there are certain types of persons and constitutional differences to take into account when giving a dose of medicine.

Case in point; the much maligned ephedra is an herb in Traditional Chinese Medicine that is considered "hot," it is usually for the common cold which manifests itself as having chills, runny nose, a slower heart rate, and a white tongue coating.

Now some supplement company comes along and markets this herb as a weight loss supplement; then some guy takes it before going out in 100+ degree heat in full football gear and everyone wonders why he drops dead.

The reasoning by the press and the lawmakers is that the herb is bad; no... it's that the guy had no business taking that herb for what he took it for.

Drugs, herbs, vitamins, etc... have certain purposes that they need to be taken for and if one breaks the natural rules with them, he/she shouldn't be suprised when there are disasterous consequences.

the devil knows the cure for cancer because he is an angel. He probably told his followers.
Some masonic temple probably holds it.
Who told Spock about cellphones?
Or Davinci about planes?
Edison about electricity.
The infernet?

Kris

I like the more economic approach. It would seem that, if DCA really was effective at destroying cancer cells, there would be a dignifigant demand for somebody to begin supplying it. Since it can't be patented, there would be very little possibility of any sort of market domination by one company, but profits could be made regardless.

Outside the realm of pharm. companies, it would seem the American Cancer Association and others like it might be interested enought to fund some research.

P.S. Phillip Morris makes Marlboro cigarettes, not R.J. Reynolds. (Good thing too or PM might not be able to fund my grandpa's pension plan...)

Esau

In fact, drug companies spend millions and millions of dollars so that they can produce near-knockoffs of natural or already-known substances so that they can patent the near-knockoff and use it to make money, when the already-existing substance that they're imitating would treat the same condition just as well or better.

CSIR isolated the hunger-suppressing chemical component in Hoodia Gordonii, now known as P57; patented it in 1997.

CSIR licensed the UK-based firm Phytopharm to further develop and commercialize P57.

It has been established that P57 works fooling the brain into thinking it is full, even when it is not, therefore curbing the appetite.

The following year, Phytopharm licensed drug giant Pfizer to develop and market P57.


Note: Hoodia is a wild plant used by generations of native Bushmen in South Africa's Kalahari Desert to help them avoid starvation in the dry, hot sands.

liana

click here : www.dr.kelley.com/what_is_cancer.htm

liana

sorry, I mean : www.drkelley.com

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