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November 06, 2006

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whosebob

Is it important, when linking to the Joint Declaration, to link to the following documents as well (not a rhetorical question)?

Response Of The Catholic Church To The Joint Declaration

Annex to the Official Common Statement

Thanks.

IC XC NIKA

ELC

Thanks, brother. :-)

Mike Petrik

Jimmy, you're the best!

SDG

Jimmy, very charitable, thoughtful and complete. Hopefully the reporter will take the correction in the spirit it was offered and make the necessary changes.

Is it important, when linking to the Joint Declaration, to link to the following documents as well (not a rhetorical question)?

Response Of The Catholic Church To The Joint Declaration

Annex to the Official Common Statement

No on the first count, at least, since IIRC the "Response" was to a non-final version of the JD. The final version of the JD AFAIK renders the "Response" moot.

SDG

Mollie's post asks "What do Roman Catholics believe about Lutherans?" Since some of the comments on her post have focused on which Lutheran bodies are or aren't signatories of the JD, it may be helpful to prescind from the JD and get the Catholic Church's answer from Vatican II's Decree on Ecumenism ("Unitatis Reintegratio"):

"[A]ll who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church. … though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, [they] have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church" (UR 3).

What do Roman Catholics believe about Lutherans, Mollie? We believe you are our brethren in Christ. Whether you sign the JD or condemn it, whether you accept Catholics as fellow Christians or condemn us to hell, whether you recognize that the Catholic Church teaches the biblical gospel or condemn the pope as the antichrist, we still regard you as brethren in Christ, though separated and in some ways in a gravely deficient situation.

Not only does the Catholic Church not consign Lutherans (even Missouri Synod or WELS Lutherans) to hell, she doesn't consign anyone to hell. The Catholic Church makes no pronouncement whatsoever regarding the specifics of who is or is not in hell. Individuals who die in mortal sin go to hell, but while the Church can judge gravity of matter, she cannot judge whether anyone is in mortal sin.

Jason in SA

Anathema "tended to be applied--and then rarely--only to people who made a pretense of staying within the Catholic community."

I could think of a few hundred thousand uses for this practice today.

Landrew

Has anyone else noted the absolute irony of this body declaring infallibly that the “the Pope is the very Antichrist” because he "sets himself up as the infallible head of the Church"?
I wonder if they have actually declared this infallibly. If they haven't, are they admitting that they could be wrong? But then that means the Pope could be infallible. But then that would mean...Oh never mind.

Laura

*shudder* the star Trib... *shudder*

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