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May 19, 2005

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paednoch

This "mainstreaming" of Tatooing came up with me a few years ago. I was doing some moonlighting (helping with the nurse shortage while earning extra cash) in a Nursing home and Myself and one of the other staff realized that I was the only staff member present without a tatoo. The staff member mocked me in front of everyone else and wanted to know why I didn't have a tatoo! I said, " I am sort of a counter culture rebel and I just want to be different!" I got a very puzzled look with that reply.

Ruthann

I've never understood the allure of tattoos. What will the pretty rose tattoo over a young woman's heart look like when that woman is 80 and the "canvas has shifted"?

'thann

Tom

Now just how could anyone working in a Nursing Home even consider a tatoo. Didn't they look around and project just what their tat would look like when they reached that Nursing Home age. That butterfly will be streatched so far out of shape and that rose on the ankle will be truly wilted and sagging.

I'd have thought that seeing the future state of their bodies would give second thoughts to tatooing.

Lauda Jerusalem Dominum (dcs)

The piercings are getting absolutely ridiculous now, too.

Suzanne

Fortunately, tatooing in Oklahoma is still illegal. Of course, that hasn't stopped anybody who really wants one to get one. They go across the border to Wichita Falls, Texas to get one. I hear the legistors are thinking about changing the law. They are missing out on all that money. (you realize that Oklahoma is about 10-15 years behind everyone else). *sigh*

Tim J.

Speaking as an Arkansawyer, there are advantages to being "behind" in this culture. It's just fine with me if people want to think of us as hicks.

Seamus

To put things in perspective, a (female) friend of mine once explained why she wouldn't necessarily rule out dating someone with a tatoo. Sometimes, she said, "a tattoo is a mistake you made ten years ago, while a pinky ring is a mistake you made this morning."

Doug

I'll take the opposing view. I agree that tattoos have lost some of their outlaw appeal and become more mainstream. I also agree that many (most?) tattoos are both silly and shortsided in what they depict. With that said, I disagree with Jimmy's statement "Anything important enough to have permanently engraved on my skin turns out to be too important to trivialize by reducing it to a fashion statement." That logic can be carried forward to exclude religious art or jewelry (if Jesus is important to me, I will imitate His behavior and not have a picture of Him on my wall or His corpus hanging around my neck). I have a very well done Chi Rho tattoo that serves several functions: (1) it draws my mind to Christ throughout the day when I see it (2) is a great toolfor evangelism, as I am constantly asked what it is, which has generated many very interesting conversations, and (3) it looks really cool. Unless I fall into apostasy (which I don't plan on doing anytime soon!), I do not think my Chi Rho tattoo is something I will regret. God bless.

pazdziernik

Jimmy,

A friend had a psalm tatooed on his lower back, in Latin! A really radical selection, no?

Ed Peters

When I see the photo above, I think, Reason No. xxx not to go to Hell, cuz that's what everybody's gonna look like. Yuck.

M.Z. Forrest

I simply hate tatoos. I've been to weddings and seen wedding pictures where the bride will have a large tatoo on her shoulder/upper back, and it just looks obnoxious. Some people I just think have an unnatural yearning for attention upon themselves. Before you know it people will tatooing advertisements on their heads. Oh wait, this has already been done.

Tim J.

Doug,

I understand that some people may be in a position to use tattoos as a witness, but the same could be accomplished with jewelry or T-shirts, though I think these can be overdone, also. The in-your-face Christian tees that can be seen on some are of dubious help, IMHO.

Using a tattoo to remind yourself of Christ throughout the day is very commendable, and is one of the reasons I have even considered getting one, but this could also be accomplished with jewelry or by some other means. I sometimes wear a crucifix to accomplish the same thing, or a carry a special nail in my pocket (made to resemble the kind of nail that might have been used on Jesus' cross).

Getting a cross tattoo unfortunately, would be almost meaningless, because it is an image that has been so thoroughly co-opted by the fashion industry that it says nothing about the person actually wearing it (except that you can maybe safely assume they are not Muslim or Jewish, or something).

It is the permanence of the tattoo that has made me hesitate all these years, and now what makes me pause is the fact that the novelty (and therefore, some of the witness value) of a tattoo has dropped considerably. What if some day they just flat go out of style, like leisure suits, mood rings or afros? Then keeping them covered will spawn a whole new fashion trend; the opaque body stocking!

Not to mention that for the price of a small tattoo I can take my sweet wife on a couple of nice dates.

In short, when I face my judgement, I don't think it will help to say, "Look, Lord... I loved you so much that I got this nifty tat!"

"Not that there's anything wrong with that!..."

Doug

Tim J.,

I agree with essentially every thing you said in your post. All of my reasons for getting my tattoo could be accomplished in another way (though I, too, tend to dislike "in your face" Christian t-shirts etc.). I simply chose to do it with a tattoo. I am absoltely not a relativist; however, some issues are not right or wrong, but involve opinion, judgement and prudence on which reasonable people can disagree. I believe this is one of those issues. I certainly agree regarding your comments on judgment day. I will not point to my tattoo. I won't point to anything that I have done. I will point solely to the redemptive work of Jesus Christ at Calvary and the graces He dispenses through Holy Mother Church. :-) Take care.

Doug

Gene Branaman

Great post, Tim J. I'm tat-less &, as was mentioned above, it sometimes seems as if I'm in the minority. Frankly, I think tattoos are just one more reason to disgard modesty & put one's self on display, these days. And maybe it's because I notice them more, but this seems more prevalent in women, in my experience. The rose & thorn or dragon tats that span 6-8 inches in the small of the back that necessitate the wearing of low-rise jeans & crop-tops (or, worse, skirts & camisoles in the workplace), a look I've never found attractive, seem like they're everywhere these days. And I just don't get the tribal arm bands so many fellas are sportin'. How much thought went into that? It's so very *of the times* it's sorta like someone having surgically covered their skin in burnt orange shag carpet in the 70s.

Tim J.

Doug,

I do want to make clear that I do not judge anyone that has a tattoo. It is a matter of prudence, as you say. There's not anything wrong with it, but right now (for me) there is just not enough right with it.

Ellen

If I remember right, Angelina Jolie has a huge cross tattooed on her hip. She also had to get some serious laser treatment to remove her Billy Bob tattoo when that match made in heaven broke up.

I don't like tattoos at all and the very idea of them makes me shudder. I saw a man once who had facial tattoos and that gave me nightmares. I don't like piercings, but since I work on a college campus, I see some sights I would prefer not to see.

LawfulGood

I did NOT need to see that picture right before lunch...

ukok

I thought it was one of Jimmy's Photo Caption pic's.

A chunk of my teen years were spent with 'decorated' long haired people of both sexes, so I really have no disdain for those who choose to ornament their body and paint it permanently. Personally, however, I only ever wanted it done to be a rebellious little snot, and when I discovered that the nice girls in High School were having tatoos of butterflies and roses on their butt-cheeks, I thought it was positively mediocre unless you were going to go for a pretty substantial work of art. After some consideration, I imagined my body, in an aged state with 'I love Adrian' tatooed up my arm or a mammoth depiction of Ozzy Osbourne bat-head biting...and opted to go for real rebellion, hence, I'm a tatoo free zone :)

God Bless.

Angela

Well, I'm the only one in my immediate family who DOESN'T have a tattoo (as in bro with 3, sis with 4, dad with 2, Ma with 1.)

Yeah. I'm busting my buttons over those decisions!! But on the personal side, I did design my dad's original Marine Corps bulldog tattoo on his right bicep when I was 14.

CaeliDS

Tim J. and Doug oughtta check out an old story by Flannery O'Connor called "Parker's Back." At the time, it was thought of as a good example of her grasp of "grotesquerie." Now, it would probably just seem commonplace.

William Grant

Hello, Octber 8 2005

When I was 15 years old(Am now 57years old) I got a Tattoo on each forearm, and within a week or so I realised the mistake. The years of cover up in some ways deprived me of quality summer time, and people do react to you in certain ways if you have a tattoo, and in my life it did exclude me from some work and social situations.
I live in the Highlands of Scotland and I travel 300 mile return trip to visit the Clinic and get the Tattoos removed(laser)so far one arm is just about clear(could live with it as it is, but I can afford to get it done perfectly)the other arm has some residual green, which should go in another two sessions . If you are thinking of getting your Tattoo taken off by Laser,make sure they use the Laser appropiate to the colours, if they use the wrong one it could cost you a fortune as it would take ages to do, if at all.
There is bound to be dishonest removers out there so take care. (please excuse spelling etc)

To those people who are thinking of removing Tattoos DO IT! cannot quatify the feeings I have, but it is great!

And to those people who are thinking about getting a Tattoo, wait a year , read about Tattoos, the experiances of long term Tattooed people, just about all the people that I have met of my age regret getting them done, and after a year if you still want to go ahead ,do it. But remember that fashion can change in a year ,you can develop, but your Tattoo is a constant.

All the Best

William Grant

George

You can look at getting a Tattoo like getting married.You can get a divorce and you can get the tat removed.Both cost a lot of money.
But really there are many tattoos that you can get that you wont mind having after many years.If you get one that is on your back for example you can go months forgetting you even have it.Hands,forarms etc that you see all the time is a different story.
Im not sure why people worry what it will look like when they are 80.If you are so concerned about that you had better also eat right every day,sleep 8 to 9 hours everyday,do Yoga every day,Don't stress,don't have kids(if your a woman) etc.I mean it's only a big deal if you make it out to be one.Bottom line take time to think about what you want,where you want it,if you really want it.Any doubt don't do it other wise your body your choice!

Jessica Donohoe

This rant has made the rounds about every forty years for the past 5080 or so - with more ferocity [and confused mishmash] of argument in cultures with sumptuary laws, when the common folk are denied the rights of ownership of their own skin, and so the practice becomes more powerful, and so common, and so uncouth, and so hardcore that those with wealth who aspire to the power of the Other co-opt is, et voila: there's Britney dropping trou for yet another pseudo naga on her labia.

Stephen

So I'm just going to go ahead and assume it's a personal choice. The Church doesn't condemn it. Am I right? We're not going to hell for getting one.

Tim J.

Right... though we are prohibited from mutilating our bodies, so a lot of what they now call "body modification" would be out.

Decoration is a different thing, as long as the tattoos themselves are not obscene or blasphemous, or something.

SDG

Just reread this post due to new comments, and was struck by this:

Anything important enough to have permanently engraved on my skin turns out to be too important to trivialize by reducing it to a fashion statement.

Nice!

Ben

Tim J it's a pity u didn't read the next comment about how that logic doesn't follow through.

It obviously suits some people to look down at people who have a tattoo. It really appears that you are indulging in a little intellectual snobbery - 'too important to trivialize' - Well it certainly isn't my opinion that getting a tattoo was trivilasing anything I belive in (assumption no.1)and having a tattoo doesn't mean it is neccesariy a fashion statement (assumption no.2).

I just think it's funny that you so many assumptions can be made in something that 'struck you'.

To tell you the truth I do have a tattoo on my back. I love it. It's big but I would be wary of getting anything visible in an office enviroment.

I do agree it is more mainstream but I fail to see how that takes away from the enjoyment of having something that is of ur own choosing.

The only people I imagine complaining about tattoo's being too mainstream is people that felt the need to be different. I would want to ask them why what other people do would decrease their enjoyment. It is the same type of intellectual snobbery where the 'alternative' people look down on the mainstream.

If we stopped thinking in terms of catergories and realsied we are individuals and not boxes you might appreciate it more.

Tim J.

Ben, I don't look down on anyone who has a tattoo. I considered getting one, myself. My reasons for not getting one are MINE, and I don't assume that they apply to anyone else.

Did you read my entire post?

Some Day

Would Our Lord get a tattoo?

Would any saint get it?

I know the Indians (from India) have a tradition of tattoing a cross on their hand, a small one.

But that is understandable.

But everyone else...

I would argue it constitutes a sin because we modding our bodies in a way contrary to the way God intended us to.

Now earrings (FOR WOMEN ONLY WIERDOS) are acceptable because it does not change the body, it ornaments it.

Mallory

I would first-off like to say that I think anyone can get tattoos if they want and they should not be judged upon their decision. However, I have noticed that many people do have tattoos that seem to mean absolutely nothing to them and they are just part of the mainstream mass. I have a friend who just recently got his first tattoo and he plans to get more, but he is not doing this just to be cool, he has many valid and legitimate reasons. But when he and I are in a crowd of people conversing about tattoos, every single person speaks up and says what tattoo they’re going to get. I listen to each person and I see in their eyes that they’re just saying this to fit in with he and I (he because he is not mainstream about getting tattooed, and me, I am going to tattoo as my career). I do not have any tattoos yet, although I do plan to get them when I am of legal age so I don't have to get my parents into it. I am an artist and I plan to start a new job in the next month as an apprentice at a tattoo parlor so that I can learn. I believe it is a beautiful form of art that should be appreciated, not because of the people who decided to get it done, but because of the amount of skill these tattoo artists have and how gorgeous the art on these people's bodies is (yes, even the mainstream tattoos). For my first tattoo I am going to shave the back of the bottom of my hair and get two words tattooed there and let my hair grow back. My friends ask me why I would get something tattooed where no one can see it. The reason I am making this my first tattoo is because I am making a point that tattooing is such an incredibly personal thing, and I am not doing it for other people. I'm doing it for myself and to know that artwork is on my body will give me comfort. I also plan to get full sleeves of tattoos and have potentially my entire back covered as I get older. As an artist I appreciate many art forms and tattooing is definitely one of them. The only people I question about getting tattoos are the people that don't have a story or reason behind why they are getting them. I think most people aren't thinking of the actual art and how incredible it is that it is actually possible to have a masterpiece permanently on a body. They are just all caught up on how they want to be rebellious. I would also like to say: so what? You get a tattoo when you are young that looks good and when you’re old you stretch out and get saggy. You’re old, saggy and no one’s going to want to see that anyway so why not have artwork drawn all over you?

bill912

"...they should not be judged upon their decision."

And why shouldn't people be judged for their decisions? Come to think of it, how does anyone *not* make judgments about others' decisions?

Dr. Eric

I believe the Filipinos are very fond of getting religious tattoos and have been getting them for hundreds of years now.

Many Ethiopians also tattoo a Cross on themselves as a sign of their devotion. I believe that the Copts do so as well. I remember a tragic story of a Coptic girl who was slain by a Muslim and the Muslim cut the Cross off of her skin.

A. Nonymous

"Would Our Lord get a tattoo?"

Our Lord created us as individuals invested with the capacity for personal expression. Rightly emulating the perfect work of Christ's ministry does not necessarily mean curtailing one's capacity for self-determinacy in matters that have no moral content.

"Would any saint get it?"

Any answer to that question is likely to be presumptuous.

"I know the Indians (from India) have a tradition of tattoing a cross on their hand, a small one.

But that is understandable.

But everyone else..."

Why should everyone else be held to a different standard than the Indians? I'm really neither here nor there on the advisability of tatooing in general, but it seems to me that one might get a tatoo in acknowledgement of their tradition even if one is not Indian.

"I would argue it constitutes a sin because we modding our bodies in a way contrary to the way God intended us to."

Here's another inherently presumptuous statement. Who are you to know the Lord God's intention apart from the aspects thereof that he has most graciously imparted to us through His Holy Scripture and, less directly, through the teachings of His Church?

"Now earrings (FOR WOMEN ONLY WIERDOS) are acceptable because it does not change the body, it ornaments it."

Objectively, it does change the body (well, the piercing which is necessary for the earrings). Namely, it puts a hole where there wasn't one previously. In terms of mathematical topology, that's the most radical change possible.

Elizabeth

I got a tattoo at 17. I went with my mother. I researched tattoos (differeint inks, art styles, artists in towns, parlors in town, prices, after-care, possibility of problems and what to do, etc) prior to getting the tattoo. I had the design chosen for 5 years before getting it, and had known since i was 2.5 years old that Iwanted one. No one in my family had one, none of my friends had one, but I saw one as a toddler and was hooked on the idea. I choose a sun after battling with depression. It represented that I had beaten this battle and could do it again. I got it in a spot that is less likely to suffer from aging (another thing I looked in to). Did I care that when I was pregnant my sun looked as if it was about to explode due to swelling? No. It still had meaning to me, no matter how it looked. I went through a very difficult time, and my sun was a beautiful reward to myself to help remind me of how strong I can be and what I can make it through.
When my daughter was born I got her name, inside a heart, tattooed on my other ankle. WIll I ever regret that? I don't see how I could ever regret my daughter, so I don't see how I could ever regret my tattoo. I am now considering getting a chi-rho to show I am a Christian. This is somethign that takes a lot of thought, and I have only just come up with this idea. This is not somethign to rush in to, and any tattoo should be symbolic. (Tweeties, roses, and names of significant others are NOT good tattoo designs.)
I wish the people who don't have tattoos would refrain from viewing the inked as people who were young and stupid and made poor decisions without considering the consequences. This is usually thecase (my husband's friend has skulls all over his body. I know not everything thinks things through.) But I am proud of my tattoos, and will be forever. Even when they get old and faded and covered in wrinkles I still love tattoos. DOes a person become ugly when they age? Is an elderly citizen something our society should be ashamed of? No. Age is unimportant in tattoos and people. The inside story is the important part.

Mal M.

Yes, tattoos are becoming increasingly more of a fashion statement with a lot of people. And yes, some tattoos are not thought through very well and you end up with an ex's name scripted over your left butt-cheek.
For others however, tattooing is still a passion and, in my opinion, a beautiful artform. I am 19 and, as of now, want to get 3+ tattoos sometime in the near future. I have been researching tattoos for a year and a half now and have begun saving up for my planned out tats. All the designs in my head have such a strong meaning to me, I feel that when I get them I will truely feel more complete as a person. I also plan to one day open up my own tattoo place of sorts. Yeah, look out.
And as A. Nonymous said, who cares how they look when you get older? Old people aren't ugly. Everyone ages. If you got your tattoos for the right reasons, they should always be beautiful to you. Who cares what anyone else thinks.

Alissa R.

right on mal. right on.

Angry Panda

Hi, tattooing has been around since pre history so it is not like anybody is breaking new ground here. Tattooing got "trendy" about five thousand years ago, so if your tattoo is newer than that you are a poser I guess. Who cares if your tattoo sags when you are old. How do you know you are going to get old? Sieze the day, it is your body decorate it how you like. Who cares what you look like to others, that is the whole point of taking a permanent oath to art. If you like it, get it. If other people don't understand, you win. P.S. I think tattooed soccer moms are cool.

P.P.S. It is spelled "tattoo" that is a lot of "Ts" but that is how it is spelled folks. hanks for your ime in reading his ran. (see, "Ts" are important)

xander

while i agree that tattooing has become mainstream and has lost some of it's true potency, i don't agree with the "what will it look like when you're 80" arguement. none of us will look as fresh, young, wrinkle-free and healthy as we did when we were in our twenties. i'd find it pretty bizarre if i was old, wrinkled and haggard, yet my tattoos remained smooth and as crisp as the day they were inked. while we see tattoos as being a very permanent fixture, they are as transient and changing as the skin they inhabit. and whether or not someone else sees my tattoos as ugly if and when i reach a grand old age, so be it. they are mine.

i see my tattoos as being a documentary of my experiences, a visual diary of my life on my skin. i have a tattoo on my forearm from when i finished art college. i have two self-inked tattoos on my ankle from a time when i was in a negative frame of mind for a time. i have a traditionally hand-inked tattoo on my shoulder which is based on traditional northen thai artwork. i plan to get a tattoo done in the traditional style of every country i visit long enough to enjoy. i also plan on getting a tattoo to commemorate graduating. i don't plan on getting any text, language, or tattoos with any literal meaning other than a reminder to myself of the time and place i was in at that time. i think that tattooing yourself as a visual record of your acheivements and experiences is a very positive thing.

the native aborigines of australia choose a name for themselves when they are old enough to do so. they change their name every time they accomplish something, every time they see that they have progressed somehow. why not do the same with tattoos?

Gregore

Hello....I have just read some of the most small-minded comments EVER! If you guys don't like tattoos, then don't get them! Why would you chastise others for descisions they make. THANK GOD IM NOT YOU.

KIMBERLY

I THINK YOUR WAY WRONG. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TATTOOING OR PIERCING. ITS A TRIBAL THING FOR ME. AND YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND.

KIMBERLY

I THINK YOUR WAY WRONG. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH TATTOOING OR PIERCING. ITS A TRIBAL THING FOR ME. AND YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND.

bill912

"THANK GOD IM(sic)NOT YOU."

That's telling 'em!

Brian

its amazing how many cant spell TATTOO! It is realy not that hard to spell. It is interesting some of the arguments on here...some are good, some are mindless rants of conservative christians and people of the older gererations. Tattooing is a personal decision from the religious side. I have 2 tattoos, both in latin, saying truth (veritas) and faith (fides). they are impotant aspect of my faith, they constantly remind me of the two most important things in my faith, the saving truth of Christs blood from the cross, and the simple faith that it takes to be saved. If you do not like people who are non religious and say tattooing is bad cuz i said so, and yet these same people say its not right to push religous views on people, well if it is wrong for us, in your opinion to push our views on you, then it must be wrong for you to push your views on us, so that makes one of us a hypocrate, and that would be you. We all have the right to believe and do as we wish, that means religious people can evangalise others, and that also means that non religous people can decline religous views, but there is no need to attack the person, attack their philosophy, not their person, everyone can act according to their own desires within the law, if you dont like it...SHUT UP!

bill912

Who is "pushing" any views on you? Or are you one of those who is against freedom of speech if that speech is something you don't want to hear? Everyone can express an opinion according to his own desires within the law. "...if you dont(sic) like it...SHUT UP!

bill912

Speaking of people who "cant" spell:

"cant"
"impotant"
"Christs"
"non religious"
"cuz"
"religous"
"non religous"

And then there are run-on sentences, incorrect punctuation, and not capitalizing the first word in sentences.

Tjaprula

To the person that made the comment about the native aboriginals of Australia changing their names. Comment ONLY on what you know about. I get so annoyed when people make remarks about my race wheather for good or bad reasons and they dont know what they are talking about. We are given "Skin Names" from our mother mine is Tjaprula the "T" is silent and to anyone been through aboriginal "LORE" they will know from my name that I am a Luritua (tribe) male and was born in 1972. The only time our name changes is when a parent dies or someone else with the same name in our family dies and it only changes for up to a year then goes back to the name inherited through our mother this shows respect and mourning. And yes I have tattoo's and I work in a nursing home for war veterans and all the oldies that have tattoo's (there are quite a few about 60 out of 200) not one regrets getting them done and some are so well done they still look amazing. And about earrings on men Dr Eric this is a very old custom to show slavery (as biblical slavery not modern slavery)I have 3 earrings in my left ear to show my choice of slavery or surrender of my will to my God, Country and Family and as history shows men were pierced before women were. I suggest people study history they might learn something tattooing is not a counter culture it is older than the culture we have today and tattoos depicting Christ or the Cross were common among the convicts sent to Australia as they were done on their backs so the guards wouldn't whip them in fear of whipping Christ himself.

Tjaprula

I wish to take back the comment I made to Dr Eric unfortunately the way this page is structured it appears on my screen as if he made the comment about earings. He did not, it is my error and I apologize.

tau gamma pi

Would Our Lord get a tattoo?

Well, maybe. Think about who he hung out with. If he was around now and in America, he'd probably live in a ghetto somewhere and hang out with druggies and unwed mothers.

And there's nothing morally wrong with ghetto dress (baggy clothes, bling, tattoos, etc.), it just looks sloppy - and only to us good, law-abiding, pharisaic, middle-class, white, voting citizens. It's arrogant to assume that our standards our objective.

He'd probably hang out with druggies, but he wouldn't shoot heroin. He'd probably hang out with unwed mothers but he wouldn't get them pregnant. Shooting heroin and extra-marital sex are morally wrong.

There's nothing morally wrong with getting a tattoo. It's entirely possible that he might have gotten one.

This is Jesus the poor Jewish carpenter we're talking about, the guy who hung out with tax collectors (ewww!!). This isn't blue-eyed, British-accented Jesus walking wistfully along the shores of Galilee with a slightly pained expression on his face, as if he had an annoying pebble in his right sandal.

Brian

I absolutly hate when people get on the whole whats its gonna look like in 50 years kick. I go with a love the skin youre in attitude. I will still love my sleeves when im nintey, kids gettin little things here and there is no worry, its just havin fun. As far as piercings are concerned, i feel that some people are afraid of heavily modified individuals cause we exercise complete and total control over our bodys and feelings without worrying about the veiws of society at large. I saw a comment on here about tattooing being illegal in oaklahoma, fourtunatly? Come f**kin on, why is it so fortunate that a whole lifestyle is illegal, thats like saying, fortunatly, christianity is illegal in so and so. If im not mistaken, its now legal, but its people like that who scare me into thinking that someday, on the wrong side of the fence, ill be chased out by torch and pitchfork wielding rednecks.

Wayne

In the bible it does say that our bodies are a temple of God.It also says that no man has the right to judge any man based on there appearence. so as far as the bible is concernd we dont have the right to judge others! our world needs to stop worrying about other people and start worrying about them selves!

bill912

"...we dont(sic) have the right to judge others!"

Then what does "By their fruits you will know them" mean?

Tim J.

"...people are afraid of heavily modified individuals cause we exercise complete and total control over our bodys and feelings without worrying about the veiws of society at large."

Umm... no. I'm not afraid of "highly modified" individuals. Let me just say that "afraid" isn't at all the word I would use, and leave it at that.

If you're not worried about the views of society at large, what was the purpose of your comment?

Do what you like, but excuse me if I find the spikes sticking out of your head an occasion to stare. Sorry, this look weird to me. But I know you don't care about that, so we're all cool, right?

bill912

Tim, the key words are the three that come immediately before the part you quoted: "I *feel* that..."

You seem to be encouraging him to *think*. How hateful of you! Just because feelings don't have IQs is no reason to discourage people from allowing their feelings to do their thinking for them.

And stop being judgmental. It's wrong to be judgmental, as many on this thread have judged others to be.

(Now excuse me; I gotta pry my tongue outa my cheek).

Wayne

soo as you all know i like to use the bible as a refrence for all that i dont know. although i dont know much about tattoos and peircings i do have a tattoo. And for people to juuge you by your outward appearence is going against the bible. the "By there fruits we will know them..." does not meen judge them but to ecsept them and get to know them for who they are. Who are we to judge a peson who just as equal as us! theere is only one high judge and that is the lord my God...Jesus crist...who died for you and your sins. The bible sais that we are all created equell in the eyes of the almighty God.

bill912

"'By there(sic) fruits we(sic) will know them...' does not meen(sic) judge them but to ecsept(sic) them and get to know them for who they are."

Uh-huh.

Jay

the key words are the three that come immediately before the part you quoted: "I *feel* that..."

To "feel" can have many meanings, including to think, to reason, to perceive by the mind, to believe. In the cited example, the person expressed his reasoning.

Just because feelings don't have IQs

No thought has an IQ either.

bill912

"To 'feel' can have many meanings, including to think, to reason, to perceive by the mind, to believe."

Nope. Words mean things. "To feel" means just that: to feel.

Tim J.

Look - again, I don't have any moral problem with tattoos, as such. I considered getting one, and I know a number of people who do have them. I don't make any blanket judgments of people with tattoos. But a lack of moderation in any aspect of life can be a sign of underlying problems.

Call it a cry for help.

The guy pictured at the top of the post just looks extremely weird. As Dave Barry put it, for most people a lip ring is the answer to the question "What can I do to make myself even less employable?".

If these folks (the extreme ones) don't care what the world thinks of them, that's fine and all for the best, because if they DID care what people thought, they would live a life of constant bitterness and disappointment.

They have every right to modify themselves however they want, and I have every right to say "Ewww".

Jarnor23

Hey, that guy in the picture is kinda cool. I'm just forgetting if his race was from Farscape, Star Trek, Stargate, or Babylon 5. ;)

Jay

Words mean things. "To feel" means just that: to feel.

Yes, and dictionaries of the English language say it can mean to think, to reason, to perceive by the mind, to believe.

I have every right to say "Ewww".

So do people who look at your paintings.

bill912

"So do people who look at your paintings."

A very intellectual response. But I think it illustrates the point I was trying to make.

Tim J.

"So do people who look at your paintings."

Absolutely.

Jay

Call it a cry for help.

"Ewww" can be a cry for help.

Jessie

i don't understand how anyone can think that getting or having a tattoo is a problem for society. It is just people choosing to express themselves in that way. Isn't that how it all started? It was people trying to find an outlet to express themselves? Just because it is more popular today then ever before is no reason for some people going around saying that it is a cry for help.

bill912

I don't understand how anyone can think that being against tattoos is a problem for society. It is just people choosing to express themselves.

Ashley

Wow, you think tattoos are for the special club of people who want to "get noticed?" It's too bad if that's what a tattoo is to you. Some sort of "mark of a rebel." I can't believe you feel so threatened by people wanting their own. THEIR tattoos have nothing to do with YOU and your attention-whore need to "get noticed."

Everyone has the right to a personal piece of inkage.

bill912

I can't believe you feel so threatened by people who disagree with you. THEIR opinions have nothing to do with YOU and your insecurities.

Esau

Everyone has the right to a personal piece of inkage.

Wow, you think people who don't like tattoos are a special club of people who want to "get noticed?" It's too bad if that's what people against tattoos are to you. Some sort of "mark of an anti-rebel." I can't believe you feel so threatened by people NOT wanting their own. THEIR opinions of tattoos have nothing to do with YOU and your attention-whore need to "get noticed."

Everyone has a right to disagree that 'everyone has the right to a personal piece of inkage'.

Luckily, the tattooed people of the world are outgrowing the untattooed. The only difference between us and the Christian coallition is that, we truly are accepting of everyone, even the narrow minded.

bill912

How condescending of you!

holymoly

I just learned new term: Inked People.
And since they soon to outnumber "normal" population, as a "normal" person I declare myself a minority and waiting for Federal Assistance Programs.
We (the plain skenned) need a NAAPS (National Association for Advancement of Plain Skins).

I have a dream............(Really after this Pic a Nightmare!)

"Beam me up Scotty..Scotty?!....Scotty!!!!
He's in tattoo parlor , Jim."

Native

for me getting a tattoo is no about gettin knowtised its about making a personal statement. its not about getting attention, the olny ones who want to get attention are fake. they have no real outlook on how other people voice their opinion. if the way they voice their opinion is in a tattoo or in wrighting, a pic, or thier attutedes, its all good.

Native

one more thing, for the people who started the comments, sure when your young you dont think about how you will look when your 80 but who gives? i mean its not like its a beauty contest, unless your some old peron in denyle.

Native

hey kimberly (up top) i loved the way you voiced your opinion. any yea its a native thing with alot of tattoo's. i know where you are coming from. :)

Native

lol im lovin the comments about how God will punish us. God says he loves us, right??? well if he does then i think he has the heart to forgive us and also i think if Jesus really loves us he wouldnt send us to hell for doing this. but idk, its your choice... im just voicing my opinion. you dont have to read it. after all..... life is full of choices.

LIKE A TATTOO FOR INSTANCE!!

bill912

"lol(sic) im(sic) lovin(sic) the comments about how God will punish us."

Please point out one such comment.

Smoky Mountain

This thread is apparently where Grammar shot Spelling before his execution at the hands of Run-On Sentence.

Smoky Mountain

Top 10 Spelling Bloopers:

10. gettin knowtised = getting noticed
9. wrighting = writing
8. attutedes = attitudes
7. denyle = denial
6. juuge = judge
5. fourtunatly = fortunately
4. ecsept = accept
3. equell = equal
2. hypocrate = hypocrit
1. i = I

Smoky Mountain

It's actually kind of impressive how our minds can compensate for extremely unusual misspellings based upon the context of the sentence.

I read in a book on linguistics once that as long as communication occurs, spelling is unimportant -- that's how language evolves! :)

I naturally disagree, snob that I am.

Esau

2. hypocrate = hypocrit


*cough*

2. hypocrate = hypocrite

Smoky Mountain

Ha ha! How ironic! Thanks for catching that, Esau.

Esau

It's called the Phenom Restoration Effect!

DUH!

Charles Shurman

Spelling bloopers apply to writing, not to be confused with "wrighting".

Esau

Re-Post:

It's actually kind of impressive how our minds can compensate for extremely unusual misspellings based upon the context of the sentence.

It's called the Phenom Restoration Effect!

DUH!

Smoky Mountain

It's called the Phenom Restoration Effect!

Clarify?

Esau

"wrighting".

Wrighting refers to the verb to describe what the Wright brothers did.

Esau

Clarify?

See my 'Re-Post'.

Apologies for that.

Smoky Mountain

I see. Though you mean phoneme. Cheers.

Charles Shurman

Wrighting refers to the verb to describe what the Wright brothers did.

www.thewrighttattoo.com

native

lol this is great, and all the ones about God, and what not...are at the top.

chica

i think tattoos are the shit.

native

lol the shit?

Chica

its slang for cool or wat you take it as

native

i take it as school yard bull shit. lol jk don't i know you.
"chica"

chica

yea you do we use to go to school together

native

oh yea, i remember but anyway... this hole thing on tattoos. whats your say in this???

chica

i think they are cool and they bring out your personality

native

ya me to. and if you don't like them, DON'T GET THEM its as easy as that, don't you think??

chica

yea thats true

bill912

"Please point out one such comment."

A: " "

That's what I figured.

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